X18, has the true DL killer finally arrived?

[abzurd]

Also the addition of the HPF means you can better use the mixer as a crossover  when running aux fed subs. It would be nice though if they added a feature that allowed one main output to be lows and the other highs and you swipe a crossover point. Sure it would mean mono PA, but many are anyway and would allow yet another piece of rack gear to disappear from some rigs.

If they were able to implement HPFs on the outputs, it should have been trivial to add LPFs on the outputs as well. Another misstep. That said, the general consensus in the pro world as that the speaker processing shouldn't be in the mixer. But logistically, there no reason to not put that functionality in there these days. It could certainly come in handy.

I'm not following. They DID add LPF to the outputs (auxes and mains) and also added variable slopes.

[Greg C.]

Ah, my mistake. So you can do a full crossover. High pass the main outputs for the tops at 24dB per octave, low pass the aux send to the subs the same.

[WK154]

I think they also need to add a few more PEQ's if your substituting it for the graphic Eq for feedback control.

Four notch filters ought to be enough, no?

Even the lowly DSP110 Sharc from B has 12 filters. I would go for 8 min. It depends on how hard you want to push it and of course the room acoustics as to how many filters you will need.

[WK154]

Closer scrutiny of the video shows that the LPF didn't make it into the input channels. Yes Ben states that the new feature is in addition to what you already have but that doesn't mean you can use it simultaneously. V2.1 will clear all this up and I hope it's concurrent usage. I just hope it won't be a replay of "we're thoroughly testing it before release" for another month or so. Somebody hold his hands down. He'll still be able to talk he's not Italian.

[Jerrylee]

I just hope it won't be a replay of "we're thoroughly testing it before release" for another month or so.

Are you seriously expecting anything else? They had nothing good to bring to Namm. This is all they could put together for it. It's just a dummy 2.1 program. They really should just stay home. It's like the old saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". For Mackie it should be "if you don't have anything nice to show, don't show anything at all".

They'll never learn their lesson.

And I know someone here will quote me. FYI, I do have plenty of nice things to say. I just can't think of any that apply to mackies marketing decisions.

[RoadRanger]

Ah, my mistake. So you can do a full crossover. High pass the main outputs for the tops at 24dB per octave, low pass the aux send to the subs the same.

Be aware you may have to set the frequencies differently to get them to sum flat. I've eyeballed it to 110 Hz on the tops and 95 Hz on the subs for 24dB/octave BW filters to put both at -6dB @ 100 Hz so that they sum properly - The typical LR filters used in crossovers are spec'd at the -6dB points so this is automatic but other filters are usually spec'd at the -3dB point.

[Greg C.]

You're preaching to the choir. I've been aligning systems for over 20 years. That said, unless your tops are sitting right on your subs the tops and subs will never sum flat except in one spot in a given room. If your tops are flown or your subs center clustered, They're gonna comb somewhat.

[abzurd]

Regarding the release date. Although this doesn't seem like as big a release as the last one, I would expect a considerable lag. The only reason they released the video now is because it's NAMM week. Without that specific event they could release it more on their time table, which still would typically be well ahead of actually releasing.


Personally I say stop adding features and get the damn thing stable.

[WK154]

Personally I say stop adding features and get the damn thing stable.

+1 I hate selling something to anyone when I know it's broken.

[RoadRanger]

I'm looking for a backup for cheap .

[Keyboard Magic]

I am new here, so please bare with me? I have been looking at the Behringer pix of the x18 and didn't notice any facility for 48V phantom power anywhere on the unit. Did I miss it? 'Cause if there is no phantom for condenser mics, this is a big fail. Hope I'm wrong, because this one looks like it has potential. Of course this all depends on if it will be released in a reasonable amount of time, or released at all. Fingers crossed!!!

Thanks for reading!

[RoadRanger]

I am new here, so please bare with me? I have been looking at the Behringer pix of the x18 and didn't notice any facility for 48V phantom power anywhere on the unit. Did I miss it? 'Cause if there is no phantom for condenser mics, this is a big fail. Hope I'm wrong,

Yup, you are - phantom is switched in the app and is per-channel.

[Keyboard Magic]

Thank you Road Ranger!!

That's excellent to know. It actually makes good sense to control phantom through the app and individual phantom on each channel. How cool is that? Someone else (M....e) should take note!

[Greg C.]

Feature wise, the X18 is everything the DL should have been. I wonder when they're going to ship that thing. Technically it's already 2 years behind schedule since it was originally the X16 and then the iX16. Tick tock...

[RoadRanger]

Feature wise, the X18 is everything the DL should have been. I wonder when they're going to ship that thing. Technically it's already 2 years behind schedule since it was originally the X16 and then the iX16. Tick tock...

Don't pass out holding your breath . And everyone should realize how fast technology is evolving - the DL1608 was the best they could do at the time to have a product they could actually ship. It's easy to outdo it with a vaporware product LOL - and I'd certainly expect a product that starts shipping this summer/fall two long years after the DL1608 to be more advanced. OTOH Mackie has a lot they can do to the DL1608 to keep it competitive with 2-4 firmware updates a year .