Digital Trim

[RoadRanger]

Interesting that Behringer decided to go with a different app for their new X-Air mixers...

[Wynnd]

Being married to a software database programmer, and having met studying Computer Science, I'm all for anything that makes maintenance and upgrading easier.  One software for all their digital/wifi mixers is one way to raise the level of software expertise on the product.  (Without hiring a large programming squad.)  They will always be working on the two software products.  (Master and My fader apps.)  They are probably putting most of their time into My Fader right now.  When that's done, I would expect them to go back to Master Fader for it's first update.  The bugs aren't big and the functionality of Master Fader is very good.  Wouldn't expect any additional features on that update.  (And with us still getting used to new interface, new features aren't necessary.)   

I wouldn't be against paying for the next upgrade.  (Wouldn't have minded paying for this upgrade.  We got a lot.) Just one thing to think about.  If we were to pay for upgrades, the incentive to do them would go up and the value of our DL1608 would continue to climb.  As long as this is only a cost for Mackie, they will eventually want to drop it.  (Hopefully not for at least 5 years.)  On the other hand as long as all their new digital mixers are tied to ipads and Master Fader, this could go on for a very long time. 

[WK154]

Being married to a software database programmer, and having met studying Computer Science, I'm all for anything that makes maintenance and upgrading easier.  One software for all their digital/wifi mixers is one way to raise the level of software expertise on the product.  (Without hiring a large programming squad.)  They will always be working on the two software products.  (Master and My fader apps.)  They are probably putting most of their time into My Fader right now.  When that's done, I would expect them to go back to Master Fader for it's first update.  The bugs aren't big and the functionality of Master Fader is very good.  Wouldn't expect any additional features on that update.  (And with us still getting used to new interface, new features aren't necessary.)   

I wouldn't be against paying for the next upgrade.  (Wouldn't have minded paying for this upgrade.  We got a lot.) Just one thing to think about.  If we were to pay for upgrades, the incentive to do them would go up and the value of our DL1608 would continue to climb.  As long as this is only a cost for Mackie, they will eventually want to drop it.  (Hopefully not for at least 5 years.)  On the other hand as long as all their new digital mixers are tied to ipads and Master Fader, this could go on for a very long time.

Hey Wynnd did you loose sight of the fact that you're the customer?? Mackie has to keep up with the competition  unless you're a Mackie Fan boy they will loose your business. They've certainly lost mine.

[WK154]

Interesting that Behringer decided to go with a different app for their new X-Air mixers...

Different product different market makes a lot of sense. Just look at Mackies MF app 4+ gig on you iPad none of the competitors with more capabilities come even close to that footprint on the iPad. Why because Mackie also includes the DL software on the iPad. What's the point? Download to the DL and don't waste the space in the iPad. The word "Bloatware" comes to mind.

[TimmyP1955]

One of my regulars has an LS9.  I find myself using the digital trim from time to time, as it does not affect the monitor mixes as would the preamp gain.  Whether this is the case on other consoles I do not know.

[ijpengelly]

Interesting that Behringer decided to go with a different app for their new X-Air mixers...

Different product different market makes a lot of sense. Just look at Mackies MF app 4+ gig on you iPad none of the competitors with more capabilities come even close to that footprint on the iPad. Why because Mackie also includes the DL software on the iPad. What's the point? Download to the DL and don't waste the space in the iPad. The word "Bloatware" comes to mind.

I'm not sure where you have got 4+GB from WK, according to the storage monitor on my iPad the Mackie has a smaller footprint than the Behringer X-32 Mix, though larger than X-Air (but that misses a lot of functionality) at 82.6MB... not that shabby in this day and age.

[robbocurry]

Interesting that Behringer decided to go with a different app for their new X-Air mixers...

Different product different market makes a lot of sense. Just look at Mackies MF app 4+ gig on you iPad none of the competitors with more capabilities come even close to that footprint on the iPad. Why because Mackie also includes the DL software on the iPad. What's the point? Download to the DL and don't waste the space in the iPad. The word "Bloatware" comes to mind.

I'm not sure where you have got 4+GB from WK, according to the storage monitor on my iPad the Mackie has a smaller footprint than the Behringer X-32 Mix, though larger than X-Air (but that misses a lot of functionality) at 82.6MB... not that shabby in this day and age.

Same on my iPads too! Less than 100mb.

[nottooloud]

Interesting that Behringer decided to go with a different app for their new X-Air mixers...

Looks to me like there's a lot of functionality missing. I'd guess they don't want to scavenge from their own userbase, so these otherwise brilliantly designed little mixers will be severely feature limited.

[Wynnd]

haven't forgotten that I'm a customer too.  Used to have a saying.  Alpha software didn't work and Beta software meant it still didn't work.  MF 3.0 is working way better than either of those.  (And better than some Microsoft final releases.)  So, I don't care what you call it, it seems like a final release to me.  Now from all the complaints, and they have been generally for very small issues, some tweaking of the modern EQ should be called for.  (As long as improving that doesn't cause more serious problems.)  Personally, I don't use the vintage mode and wouldn't miss it if it vanished.  Might be a good use of a poll to find out what percentage would be affected if it were dropped.  (Maybe it takes up a minuscule portion of software and it seems to work just fine.) 

[WK154]

Interesting that Behringer decided to go with a different app for their new X-Air mixers...

Different product different market makes a lot of sense. Just look at Mackies MF app 4+ gig on you iPad none of the competitors with more capabilities come even close to that footprint on the iPad. Why because Mackie also includes the DL software on the iPad. What's the point? Download to the DL and don't waste the space in the iPad. The word "Bloatware" comes to mind.

I'm not sure where you have got 4+GB from WK, according to the storage monitor on my iPad the Mackie has a smaller footprint than the Behringer X-32 Mix, though larger than X-Air (but that misses a lot of functionality) at 82.6MB... not that shabby in this day and age.

Same place with a value of 4.1GB and the detail lists 4GB as Documents and Data. That leaves 100MB as the run-time code. Claims App size of 72.0MB. This is under iOS 7.1.2 and MF 2.1.1. The manual is about 41.5MB as a PDF file, that still leaves a lot for what? Set-aside storage for snapshots and shows?Also listed is iOS8.1.1 at 2.9 GB even though it's not installed.

[robbocurry]

Wouldn't have fitted on my iPad if it took more than 500mb. Quite a disparity in size there. Interesting.

[WK154]

Found the reason for the large size. I had download upgrade enabled but do not install. But 4 GB as a install size!

[ijpengelly]

Something sounds a bit odd there. Have you got a load of recordings associated with it?

The download file is 69MB according to iTunes and two of us seem to have similar sized installs. There are not a lot of applications that require 4GB of space once installed, short of some games and high-end software like AutoCAD with large libraries.

[WK154]

Something sounds a bit odd there. Have you got a load of recordings associated with it?

The download file is 69MB according to iTunes and two of us seem to have similar sized installs. There are not a lot of applications that require 4GB of space once installed, short of some games and high-end software like AutoCAD with large libraries.

Don't know what recordings would have to do with an install. The iOS 8.1.1 size is 2.9 GB that apparently will pare down to what is on your screen as ~966 MB. I don't use iTunes for any installs. Remember these two are not installed just downloaded waiting for installation.

[lightguy48]

The recordings are considered part of the app so if you have recordings made with MasterFader it will show those recordings as part of the app size.