My opinions of the DL's built in effects

[Sir Krang]

I have a 5000watt QSC PA.
2xKsubs coupled together, 1xKW181, and 2xK12

(Monitor system is 5 x K10, and a cuppla cheap and cheerful Behringer eurolive B215's for drum monitor or whatever)

I've never been overly impressed by the reverb in my DL1608, but today I sat down in my shed for a cuppla hours and played with various stuff.
I don't do many gigs, so between gigs my PA becomes my man cave "stereo" which allows me to plug a mic in and try stuff whenever I feel like it.

Today I've dialled up some pretty decent vocal reverbs. No they ain't "Pro" quality, but they sound pretty good for small venue vocal verbs.
I've always just used the modern PEQ to EQ the FX. Never bothered with the vintage EQ until today, and have consequently discovered some pretty nice sounds.
It's almost like the "vintage" EQ has added a bit of warmth to the otherwise sterile sounding onboard effects.

I've never had a problem with the delay effects. I simply always use the "tape echo" and just EQ it slightly different for any given venue. But once again it's not a "Pro" quality effect, but perfectly usable for the kinds of gigs, and venues I do.

I really only wanted to throw my 2 cents into the mix. One of the most commonly disliked features of the DL series seems to be the onboard effects.
But after a few hours of experimentation I'm pretty happy with them, all things considered.

Cheers

[RoadRanger]

Screen shots?

[Sir Krang]

Screen shots?

Really?

Ok I'll take a couple and upload em later.

[Sir Krang]

[RoadRanger]

Which reverb "preset" did you start from? It'd be real helpful if you could read the number settings of the 4 sliders too. I actually documented all the presets early on, dunno if they are still the same?
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dl1608/database

[Sir Krang]

Which reverb "preset" did you start from? It'd be real helpful if you could read the number settings of the 4 sliders too. I actually documented all the presets early on, dunno if they are still the same?
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dl1608/database

I don't know the preset, coz I simply played around with stuff for a cuppla hours.

Pre delay 15 ms
Damping 17.78 kHz
Decay 5.04 sec
Roll off 14.15 kHz

These are simply the settings I have in my man cave which is a medium sized shed with corrugated iron walls, carpeted concrete floor, 4.8m x 2.4m carpeted wooden stage, black drapes, some soft furniture, and no punters (SAU's)
I used a Shure SM58.

The PA was tuned the way I normally tune a PA and that is vocal channel flat, FOH tuned to what sounds crisp, clean, and clear with my voice through the SM58.
And the main volume and vocal channel set to unity volume.

The next gig I do will be in an entirely different sounding room so I'll need to tweak the reverb a little to suit..but at least I've got a nice sounding starting point

edit: the link you posted gives me this massage "Oops!
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[RoadRanger]

Yah, you'd have to join the DL1608 YahooGroup to see the databases. I'll have to import them here - here's the reverb presets:

Name	Type	Pre Delay	Damping	Decay	Rolloff / Release
DrumGate	Gated Reverb	0 ms	3.03 kHz	2.00 sec	50 ms
Med Plate	Plate	6 ms	12.69 kHz	2.30 sec	14.34 kHz
RockGate	Gated Reverb	9 ms	3.53 kHz	3.00 sec	134 ms
Spring2It	Spring	15 ms	20.00 kHz	3.29 sec	10.81 kHz
LrgRoom2	Large Room	9 ms	16.34 kHz	4.52 sec	8.80 kHz
Default	Medium Room	0 ms	20.00 kHz	2.00 sec	20.00 kHz
ShortPlate	Plate	18 ms	20.00 kHz	1.80 sec	17.85 kHz
OpenHall	Hall	0 ms	20.00 kHz	4.00 sec	20.00 kHz
ClapGate	Gated Reverb	9 ms	20.00 kHz	5.00 sec	209 ms
Closet	Ambience	6 ms	3.14 kHz	0.22 sec	6.54 kHz
Sml Room	Small Room	12 ms	20.00 kHz	1.10 sec	20.00 kHz
TheHall	Hall	15 ms	17.78 kHz	5.04 sec	14.15 kHz
Med Room	Medium Room	12 ms	12.48 kHz	1.62 sec	9.00 kHz
Biggest	Cathedral	111 ms	14.04 kHz	7.24 sec	13.23 kHz
Lrg Room	Large Room	6 ms	16.34 kHz	2.60 sec	16.29 kHz
Sml Stage	Ambience	12 ms	3.14 kHz	0.77 sec	13.96 kHz
TightPlate	Plate	6 ms	12.69 kHz	1.28 sec	9.09 kHz

[Sir Krang]

Looks like the setting I've used before playing around with the EQ was "the hall"
It EQ'd up really well.

I'll use for this weekends gig

[RoadRanger]

I think I'm using "TheHall" too, I'll have to give your EQ a try . Unfortunately with only one 'verb it gets shared between the vocals, horns, snare, and sometimes keys so dunno if that EQ will work well for all?

[Wynnd]

You still have variance in the reverb sends from each channel.  I would think that might be good enough and you can also mix in some delay.

[Sir Krang]

I think I'm using "TheHall" too, I'll have to give your EQ a try . Unfortunately with only one 'verb it gets shared between the vocals, horns, snare, and sometimes keys so dunno if that EQ will work well for all?

Most gigs I do have an electronic drum kit so no reverb needed except for vocals, and an occasional acoustic guitar.

I've never had more than 2 effects units in my rack for 25+ years, so I'm happy to live with the 2 in my DL.
More would be nice though.

And being "stuck" with only one reverb means I just EQ it to serve as general duty. Not ideal, but then none of my gigs/bands/venues are ideal either.
I don't use any FX at all in the big old echoey town halls I work in.

[pytchley]

I think I'm using "TheHall" too, I'll have to give your EQ a try . Unfortunately with only one 'verb it gets shared between the vocals, horns, snare, and sometimes keys so dunno if that EQ will work well for all?

Most gigs I do have an electronic drum kit so no reverb needed except for vocals, and an occasional acoustic guitar.

I've never had more than 2 effects units in my rack for 25+ years, so I'm happy to live with the 2 in my DL.
More would be nice though.

And being "stuck" with only one reverb means I just EQ it to serve as general duty. Not ideal, but then none of my gigs/bands/venues are ideal either.
I don't use any FX at all in the big old echoey town halls I work in.

Check out page 11 in this thread. http://cacophony.aspinock.com/index.php?topic=771.msg10529#msg10529 Now you can have a second reverb 1 million times better than Mackie's lamentable offering.

[Sir Krang]

I used the reverb setting I mentioned above at last nights gig.
Quite nice sounding. Nothing spectacular but very usable.

I'm going to spend a few more sessions in my man cave and see if I can dial up a few more custom presets.

I've always liked subtle plate reverb on vocals but haven't so far been happy with the DL's offerings.

Right at this point though I'm reasonably convinced that to get at least half reasonable reverbs from the DL a good starting point is to use the "vintage" PEQ as really does sound like it "sweetens" otherwise sterile sounding reverb presets.

It's working for me, but your mileage may vary 

[ijpengelly]

Don't suppose anyone got any further with these?