MF 3.0 Bug reports

[pytchley]

Here's the first one, just spotted it on youtube. Anyone else got this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVXRw-89fSY

[redwood]

Thanks - I posted the following on the youtube video:

bummer....what model iPad, and what iOS version are you running. Thanks for the discovery.

[Wynnd]

Any of you guys have computers that have never hiccupped?  Even all my Macs have.  (Generally not as often as my Windows machines.)  He had a hard time getting it to hang.  As far as having to hard boot the ipad, if this is mission critical and in my case it is, you really should have at least two ipads for control.  I always have one docked and one wireless.  (With my iphone in my pocket with My Fader installed.)   Now what do you do if a powered speaker craps out during a gig?  There isn't an instantaneous fix for that either.  (Or any on-site fix in most cases.)  I for one, don't find the classic eq of any interest.  The modern one is easier and more functional to my mind.  Like I've said before, If you're looking for perfection, wait until your next life. 

[redwood]

Appreciate your perspective, but I still think that bug reports can and should be issued and taken note of, then we can decide if it a show stopper for us individually. Hence my request for more info.

FWIW I have more than one iPad on hand at gigs as well, but not everyone can afford that.

[beno]

Thanks. We are looking into this one.

[pytchley]

Any of you guys have computers that have never hiccupped?  Even all my Macs have.  (Generally not as often as my Windows machines.)  He had a hard time getting it to hang.  As far as having to hard boot the ipad, if this is mission critical and in my case it is, you really should have at least two ipads for control.  I always have one docked and one wireless.  (With my iphone in my pocket with My Fader installed.)   Now what do you do if a powered speaker craps out during a gig?  There isn't an instantaneous fix for that either.  (Or any on-site fix in most cases.)  I for one, don't find the classic eq of any interest.  The modern one is easier and more functional to my mind.  Like I've said before, If you're looking for perfection, wait until your next life.

I do have two Ipads, I use this thing professionally and I'm sticking to MF2 until Mackie iron out the (worst) bugs, this one could be a show stopper, would the second ipad also crash? It's possible. I agree with Redwood the sooner they are brought out into the open the better for all of us. I use this mixer a lot and think in general Mackie have done a fine job with the design less so with the back-up.  I have the sync problem and the white noise one as well which I feel have not been addressed quickly enough. Good to see Beno's watching.

[Wynnd]

Agreed it should be reported.  If it comes up frequently enough from different sources, it will probably be addressed. 

Just wondering what caused anyone to spend time switching back and forth between classic and modern anyway?  I can see being drawn to one style and moving the entire board in that direction.  On the other hand, if this can only occur when switching modes, Mackie could decide that the classic mode has outlived its usefulness and just delete it.  (I'd be inclined to do that.)   Might open up some programming opportunities in the future. 

I expect that I might not be doing this anymore after 70.  Hoping the DL1608 will carry me through that far.

[redwood]

Just wondering what caused anyone to spend time switching back and forth between classic and modern anyway? 

If it's like intermittent bugs I've seen, it may have cropped up the first time he switched, and then he spent awhile trying to make it happen again, on demand....hard to know without more info.

[Wynnd]

Would be interesting to take a poll and see what percentage bother with the classic mode.  I'm guessing that Mackie only included it to reduce people being put off by the modern eq mode.  I've never used classic in a gig.

[Keyboard Magic]

Would be interesting to take a poll and see what percentage bother with the classic mode.  I'm guessing that Mackie only included it to reduce people being put off by the modern eq mode.  I've never used classic in a gig.

That's all I use is classic mode, "quick and dirty" very uncomplicated for me. I'm sure if I played around with the modern mode enough I would get used to it though. For the small gigs I do, not an issue anyway.  As far as that "app crash" It shouldn't happen, even occasionally. Of course you could probably make anything crash if you poked at it enough times these days.

I've got one iPad on MF3, the other on 2.1.1 and have not updated the DL yet. Only using the one iPad on 2.1.1, obviously. Let the dust settle. If WK was right and this is a public Beta, it's not smart to use it at a mission critical event yet. Can you say Russian Roulette?  Or "Come on Baby Light My Fire" 

[dpdan]

Speaking about the Modern and Vintage modes... I did a phase cancellation test about two years ago to determine if the "Modern" and "Vintage" EQ modes were identical, and just listening to them told me they were.
The phase reverse test proved that there is absolutely no difference in the sound quality of either the "Modern" or "Vintage" EQ modes.

Originally, Mackie advertised this as a "NEW" Vintage sounding EQ, when in fact it was just a different graphic user interface for the same processing.
I do realize that people who are not experienced audio engineers would much prefer knobs instead of the "Modern" GUI, and so for that, I think it is a great idea to offer both.
I am also pleased that in one of the videos I watched about the DL32R and v3.0 it is stated that the two options provide different ways to control the EQ.

That is the honest thing to do, and I am proud of Mackie for not giving misleading information about the product.

 

[pytchley]

Speaking about the Modern and Vintage modes... I did a phase cancellation test about two years ago to determine if the "Modern" and "Vintage" EQ modes were identical, and just listening to them told me they were.
The phase reverse test proved that there is absolutely no difference in the sound quality of either the "Modern" or "Vintage" EQ modes.

Originally, Mackie advertised this as a "NEW" Vintage sounding EQ, when in fact it was just a different graphic user interface for the same processing.
I do realize that people who are not experienced audio engineers would much prefer knobs instead of the "Modern" GUI, and so for that, I think it is a great idea to offer both.
I am also pleased that in one of the videos I watched about the DL32R and v3.0 it is stated that the two options provide different ways to control the EQ.

That is the honest thing to do, and I am proud of Mackie for not giving misleading information about the product.

Interesting, I only use modern eq and compression as I could hear no difference when switching to classic and wondered if it wasn't just my ageing ears (I must be nearly as old as Wynnd). In the new reference guide Mackie say "You can switch between EQ types while audio passes and the settings will match as closely as possible, but the sound will change." Hmmmm!

[Wynnd]

Talk about aging ears.  Just got hearing aids about a month ago.  (And for people who think the DL32R is expensive, I could buy two and have money left over for at least a couple of ipads for what these hearing aids cost.)  My hearing losses have been mid-range and up.  I've always heard bass very easily.  (Try to be on the opposite side of the stage from the bass.)  I use the ipad mini for external control.  There is a full boost, a restaurant mode and a music mode.  When I walk into a restaurant at full boost, it sounds like a bunch of white noise and clatter.  Switching to restaurant mode kills the white noise and makes conversation easy to understand.  I had really gotten to hate Bennigans because of all the background noise.  (Was designed to make 10 people sound like 50)  Only problem I've got is that the ipad wants to redirect the audio output to the hearing aids.  That doesn't work at rehearsal.  (Should probably just shut the hearing aids off there.)  Enough ranting.

[robbocurry]

Can't replicate that at all. Tried wired, wireless and demo. Doesn't happen on my iPad mini.

[thedrums]

I just happen to have my iPad at work with me and tried to recreate that situation. I could not get mine to hang up. I using MFv3 on an iPad 3 with iOS 8.1.1. I wonder if docking the iPad would help.